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I do not have any positions related to silver, but for the heck of it I decided to explore what happens after a silver parabolic explodes. Certainly, when a parabolic move peaks, price drops like a rock from the sky. Then, at some point, it stops falling and price begins to rebound - heading higher in the direction of the parabolic top. The question I asked myself was, how high will silver rebound before getting knocked to the ground again?
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I decided to use the Fibonacci retracement tool to do my analysis. What follows are my findings using the silver parabolics of 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2011 as my data.
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Following this look at silver I will treat the reader to something new from www.indexindicators.com I have visited this site many times for many years but not written about it until today.
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The 2004 silver parabolic retraced to the Fibonacci 50% level then fell to well below the 23.6% measurement.
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The 2006 silver parabolic retraced to the Fibonacci 61.8% level then fell to well below the 23.6% measurement.
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The 2008 silver parabolic retraced to the Fibonacci 61.8% level then fell to the 0% level and kept going towards the dark side of the universe. This is what happens in a deflationary period - all assets lose value (even silver and gold).
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The 2011 silver parabolic retraced to the Fibonacci 61.8% level and so far has fallen to close at the 38.2% measurement.
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Using the three previous silver parabolics as our guide I would guess that silver, as it has not made it below the 23.6% yet, is going to do so soon. And if we get into a deflationary spiral (as I personally am nearly certain we will later this fall) silver could, like 2008, reach the 0% level and just keep going south.
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www.indexindicators.com Great site.
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This first chart looks at the average RSI (5) of the 500 stocks comprising the S&P 500 and calculates, with respect to the same daily data of the past 3 years, the standard deviation level of the current reading. Translation: how unusually extreme is the current RSI (5)?
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If the standard deviation reading is 0, then the current reading is not extreme at all. Indeed, the RSI (5) would be considered very average. However, we see that the standard deviation is -3 (green squiggly line). In simple terms, a reading of -3 is way way extreme. Also, notice what seems to happen to price (black squiggly line) when the standard deviation number reaches such an extreme.
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This second chart from www.indexindicators.com is a 2 year look at the percentage of S&P 500 stocks that are below their 200 dma.
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Again we statistically know that we are not only in an unusual market, but also one that is not at all likely to continue as is. Another -3 standard deviation reading here is literally off the chart.
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And finally, this third chart covering the past 2 years considers how far the current S&P price is from its 5 dma and assigns a standard deviation calculation.
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This time the reading is -4 standard deviation below "normal". And again, examine how price responds to these extreme and rare readings.
Gold: Forgot to mention this. The last time gold went up 6 weeks in a row was fall 2007. In the past 4 years the most consecutive weeks gold has been positive is 5.
Last week was week 5. Odds do not favor a week 6, though it could happen, of course.
Nov. 14 mid day
9 hours ago
Nice - I tried this for gold to get a view on what to expect during Gold's potential Daily Cycle Low
ReplyDeleteHi John, Great work on these charts.
ReplyDeleteDo you think we have seen the bottom temporarily or might we revisit Fridays lows again before a sharp bounce. I'd like to know if I need to visit the chemist and get more heart medication. Thanks for your diligence and generosity. Adam
Adam - I think you need to visit the chemist and get more heart medication. Or at least find a blind fold and put it on tight.
ReplyDeleteI really don't think anybody 'knows' what will happen Monday. Certainly I do not. But for the heck of it, we can all have one free guess, so here is mine:
Monday will be bad.
Though I have shown in many ways how extremely oversold the stock market is, it will probably not matter when the bell rings at 9:30 am est
I've been keeping one eye on the news for severals days now - which is unusual for me. And what continues to happen, seemingly each day, is more bad news.
Earlier in the week you had the morons in Washington DC finally pass a slip-shot, kick the can down the road, pass the buck bill to raise the deficit. It cuts next to nothing immediately, shows utterly no political will to make hard choices and face up to our deficit, and is viewed by many with absolute disgust - no confidence.
The next day, Wednesday, Japan announces they have had it with their currency being so high so they begin a war to bring down the Yen and raise the US Dollar.
The dollar soars on Thursday and our stock market resumes its waterfall - DJIA 500 pts-
Friday the continued waterfall is interrupted mid session when it is learned the European Central Bank is considering buying Italian bonds. This would amount to quantative easing for Italy ala Ben Bernacke. The stock market closes unchanged.
Then you have S&P downgrade the US after the bell Friday - with comical bickering from the White House and Treasury that S&P is off $2 Trillion in its calculation. This is humiliating for the US in the first place, and will do nothing to instill buyer confidence in riskier assets, such as stocks. No matter what the White House or Treasury want to tell us.
Saturday morning brings word that China, who owns 2/3 of all US debt that is owned by foreign governments, has gotten completely fed up. They call for a new world reserve currency and threaten to take their new debt purchases elsewhere - to those 4 or 5 nations that indeed do still have AAA rating.
Saturday evening it is being reported that Germany is not going to support bailing out Italy. If that is the case, then the European Central Bank cannot bail out Italy. And the Chinese, who could bail out Italy say 'why should we help bail you out when you (ECB) will not participate in bailing yourself out'?
You see, this does not seem to stop. It is like the fly finally getting caught on the sticky flypaper and while the fly flaps his wings with great fury, it's too late.
Well tonight, I read, the 'World Leaders Hold Urgent Calls to Discuss Debt Crisis'. So I imagine they come up with some story before the markets open in Asia in 18 hours.
Finally, I have read some talk questioning capitulation. It looks to me like a daily volume of 8-9Billion might get you there. Friday was up to 6Billion. That probably is not enough people losing their shirts, believe it or not.
The above writings should be put on your thetsitrader home page. It is an extraordinary synopsis.
ReplyDeleteJohn, Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts surrounding your "one free guess." I suppose I'll head off to the chemist then and stop by the liquor store on my way back. Cheers Adam
ReplyDeleteDear John
ReplyDeleteLike always, great posts and immaculate analysis. Please look up the tsi chart for ZSL and advice your prognosis for same. It has had a zero crossover and presumed positive divergence ( if i am correct as i am not an expert at tsi chart analysis) and also if time allows please analyse DZZ too. Are they both on buy signal? Thank you for your time, efforts and meaningful insights.
God Bless.
Ally
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteCan Silver be shorted here now or sometime later.
Thanks
Tracy
Also can you suggest where can I get trading ideas on copper and crude.
ReplyDeleteThanks in Advance.
Hi: John
ReplyDeleteThanks again for the great posts,
Cheers
Happy Trading
Norman
Bob - your flattery is extraordinary, but thank you just the same. I do appreciate your encouragement.
ReplyDeleteAlly - looking at DZZ and ZSL through the lens of the daily chart with TSI (7,4) - DZZ needs another strong up day to make a trend line break and probably at least a couple of days to make a ZERO crossover. I think it is premature to conclude that the upward momentum for gold has changed.
ZSL is another matter altogether. It had a positive divergence two days ago when it started to move north and has made both a trend line break and a ZERO crossover - to the land of positive TSI readings. These three conditions are BUY signals.
Tracy - to be honest, these markets are so manipulated and screwed up right now it is utterly impossible for me to answer your question with any degree of confidence. You have a 50/50 chance of being either right or wrong in the short run.
I do not know where one would find trading ideas on copper and crude (but I bet Google does).
Hi John
ReplyDeleteThank you for your prognosis on ZSL and DZZ. Will you be investing in ZSL now that it has given a BUY Signal.
Please advice.
thanks sincerely in advance.
Ally
Ally - no investments in ZSL planned by me at this time. My prority for now is to see if I can get back the money I already have invested in TNA and GBG. That is more than enough risk for me.
ReplyDeleteI would be interested in how you handle a situation like you seem to be in GBG. I am in that position too often. Namely --- the stock gave a buy signal. You bought. It performed as expected for a day or two then took a great big hit. You are now under water. The next day, the stock flashes a sell signal. You are now confronted with a dilemma. The overall market is way oversold. You are convinced that gold will double in price in the long run, but know that doesn't guarantee anything regarding the miners. Let's say you are under water by about 5%. Do you weather the storm? Sell at the market? Set a stop sell at some lower price, say, at 10%? Or something else? This is one of my major problems --- knowing what to do and pulling the trigger.
ReplyDeleteLoren
Thanks John for your honest reply.
ReplyDeleteGod Bless
John, quick question - Can i trust MFI indicator on the XSLV on freestockcharts? I am looking at SLV and XSLV weekly. MFI 14 for SLV has reached down almost to '08 level (@23.87 vs 23.71 in '08) and turned up today! suggesting some sort of reversal? On XSLV weekly is still going down (@43.78 vs 21.55 in'08)pointing south still..
ReplyDeleteJohn,whats ur stop for TNA ? do u still think it will do a retracement above 65 ?
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteAny chance of changing the background of your charts from black to white? Hard to see...
E-P-I-C
ReplyDeleteThe market has never been this oversold in the last 10 years
Hello John, Well you were spot on today, it was bad. A great call nontheless. After today's bloodletting what looks good going forward. I am holding TNA. Do you see this as good a vehicle as any to add to? Thanks again for your help. Adam
ReplyDeleteI think it is pretty evident that at least in the intermediate term the markets are a sell. How the markets have closed off today indicates more selling pressure ahead. FOMC meeting tomorrow.. possible announcement of QE3.. or maybe not. Regardless at this point any QE going forward must be substantially larger than the previous QEs. And the market realizes that QE has obviously not impressed.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of rebounds, it will come soon. The rebound would be an opportunity to re balance portfolios by selling some long positions and going short others.
Gold is showing signs of a parabolic rise. It's a rise that I wouldn't feel comfortable chasing. Silver less so, but it will follow gold's general direction. What I am worried about is that if the intermediate term sees a market liquidation, they will both drop intensely. Anyone long GLD should understand that Paulson should be deep underwater with BAC and Citi (unless he has sold them recently). Should he need to satisfy his own margin calls, I'd imagine that he would liquidate his GLD.
Adam: You shouldn't add anymore to TNA. And given a rebound, you should be setting up stops on the position.
Stay nimble everyone.
Sam
John,
ReplyDeleteLove the TSI indicator. Cycling through 1, 2, 5 minute and 1 day time frames is almost prophetic!